There is probably no more famous Chief in all of Canada than Chief Clarence Louie of Osoyoos, British Columbia. Whenever the issue of First Nations comes up in a news piece, you can lay a very safe bet on Chief Louie being raised in the comments section as an example how all First Nations leaders ought to be. Snippets of a speech he gave in Fort McMurray in 2006 will be quoted:
“I can’t stand people who are late,” he says into the microphone. “Indian Time doesn’t cut it… My first rule for success is ‘Show up on time.’ My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1… If your life sucks, it’s because you suck… Quit your sniffling…Join the real world – go to school or get a job…Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.”
He also says the time has come to “get over it.” No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments. No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.”
To be fair, it’s not just the media repeating these quotes; Chief Louie himself seems to avoid letting these sound bites gather dust.
Chief Louie is the hero of the hard-working, tax-paying average Joe Canadian, saying things about Indigenous people that Settlers just can’t get away with these days (although they do, of course they do! Conrad Black, Tom Flanagan and many others have all said similar things, and they’re just fine). Widely lauded as the chief who “took his band from rags to riches” Clarence Louie is not only viewed as a rugged, hard-working businessman, he is also often seen as the antithesis to “all those other Chiefs” who are assumed to be rolling around in money siphoned off from the taxpayer.
Yet most of the people invoking him have no idea about some of his other views:
“Residents of Osoyoos aren’t happy that the name of Haynes Point Provincial Park will soon be changed to an aboriginal name, they can “suck it up,” says Chief Clarence Louie…“To non-native people, Haynes might be a hero, but to us he’s a land thief,” Louie said…
The agreement [to change the name] followed the discovery last year of bones buried at Haynes Point that were radiocarbon dated to about 1,224 years old – proving that they belonged to a First Nations ancestor.
Louie said the provincial government wanted [his band] “to be good little Indians” and dig the bones up and bury them on the reserve… “I told [them] we’re not going to move those bones,” Louie said.
“I told the government your armies don’t scare us, your RCMP don’t scare us, your SWAT teams don’t scare us, because if you want to have a battle like they did at Ipperwash, we could have the same battle here at Haynes Point because we wouldn’t even have to make phone calls. If a standoff is going to occur, there’d be natives from Ontario with us over there.”
I’m not sure if the average fan of Chief Louie would consider these views incompatible, but I have my suspicions. I think people misinterpret the “no more whining about 100-year old failed experiments” to mean he supports assimilation. Certainly, the fact that the Okanagan’s first prison is located on Osoyoos land suggests an acceptance of the carceral state, but when viewed through more than a few selected quotes from a decade ago it seems clear that Clarence Louis is not letting Canada off the hook for contemporary or historic wrongs.
What does this have to do with the myth of the corrupt chief and band council?
Actually, that’s the question I have. I started asking myself this question when I saw that in almost every instance of an online discussion about corruption among First Nations, Chief Louie was brought up as though he is some sort of trump card. Like “ha! This guy is no-nonsense, he thinks you’re lazy too, and if more Chiefs were like him you’d probably stop acting like Indians and just be Canadians, like the rest of us!”
I started to look at more of the discussions about “corrupt chiefs” and realized that most of the rhetoric is about a desire to have First Nations governments be more like Canadian governments (which are believed to be less corrupt). Chief Louie appeals to this desire, based on some of the things he has said about First Nations participation in economic development.
There is also a perception out there among many Canadians, that First Nations bands are based on traditional Indigenous governance systems, and that those systems are inherently corrupt. Chief Louie appeals to people who believe this, because he is seen as someone who rejects the status quo of Indigenous governance, choosing a style closer to Canadian administration. He is made into the archetype of the “successful Chief”, based on cursory examination of some of his stated beliefs.
So if Canadians truly believe that First Nations governments are traditional governance systems, no wonder there is such pressure to get rid of those “traditional systems” and replace them with something more familiar to Canadians! After all, one thing Indigenous and non-Indigenous people can actually agree on, is the fact that First Nations governments are a really crappy system.
Wait, aren’t Chiefs and Councils traditional Indigenous governance?
No, not even close. Chiefs and band councils were created by the Indian Act, which as you should know by now is a piece of Canadian legislation. The terms “chief” and “band council” may sound authentically Indigenous, but they are anthropological terms that do not reflect traditional governance systems at all. Don’t forget, First Nations are incredibly diverse and their traditional leaders cannot all be thought of as “chiefs” and not all had “councils”!
For this reason, many Indigenous people distinguish between traditional leaders, who are chosen according to specific Indigenous legal protocols, and “Indian Act leaders” who are assigned authority under Canadian legislation. Unfortunately only Indian Act leaders are afforded any sort of recognition under Canadian law.
Much like municipalities are empowered by provincial legislation to choose mayors and city councilors, First Nations are empowered by federal legislation (the Indian Act) to choose chiefs and band councilors.
To make sure we’re on the same page here, municipalities are not a third order of government. Provinces have certain powers under the Constitution such as over things like health, education and infrastructure. Provinces can, through legal instruments such as charters or acts, assign to municipalities the right to make local decisions over these categories, as well as delivering services. Municipalities then become responsible for services like ambulances, policing, by-law enforcement and so on. Provincial governments worry about the “big picture” rather than micromanaging municipalities, and in return, municipalities have some modicum of local control. However, that control is merely “on loan”, because the power lies in the province, not the municipality. Provinces can amalgamate or disband municipalities any time they want.
First Nations band councils are also delegated power, except that in their case, the power flows from the federal government, not the provinces, and things are much more confusing than it is for regular municipalities. It is also much harder to amalgamate or disband First Nations. The federal government has power under the Constitution over “Indians and land reserved for Indians”, so even though healthcare (as one example) is a provincial power for everyone else, it becomes a federal power when dealing with First Nations. Further, although there are provincial ministries that govern municipal affairs, none exercise as much control over municipalities as Indian Affairs does over First Nations.
This information is important for two reasons:
- it clarifies that First Nations governments are actually Canadian-created and controlled governments, under the Indian Act and;
- it highlights the way in which on-reserve decisions are complicated by federal versus provincial delegation of power.
Municipalities have access to all sorts of legislation and infrastructure from the provinces to help them deliver services. This includes provincial building codes, curriculum development and many other legislative and development supports. It also includes provincial funding and bureaucratic infrastructure.
On reserve, there is often a huge hole where federal legislation, physical, and bureaucratic infrastructure should be. For example, there is no federal building code that applies on reserve and there is no federal curriculum for First Nations schools. Federal funding tends to be deficient compared to provincial funding available for the same services off-reserve. First Nations have access only to Indian Affairs bureaucrats for “support”, rather than to dedicated public servants who are experts in their specific fields. As a result, First Nations Indian Act governments must carry out a range of activities that municipalities simply do not have to worry about.
What this means is that First Nations have to work with a cobbled together set of policies overseen by Indian Affairs, rather than definitive pieces of legislation that were developed in consultation with First Nations communities. Instead of a robust, well-build structure of support and funding, First Nations must contend with something that was put together with a dollar-store glue gun and some duct tape. On top of that, chief and council are in charge of delivering municipal-like services as well as delivering services that would otherwise be the responsibility of the provinces.
I thought comparing First Nations to municipalities is fairly accurate?
Not really, no. You will often see people comparing say, the salaries of chief and council of a First Nation, to mayors and councilors from similar-sized municipalities. This comparison misses a lot of vital differences in the roles that elected officials in First Nations are required to take on, and does not provide much accuracy at all. Let’s take the time to explore that a little with a couple of examples. Many thanks to Robert Janes (@rjmjanes) and Russ Diabo (@RussDiabo) (for discussing many of these points on Twitter.
Roles and responsibilities (Education):
- Municipal school board in charge of hiring teachers and staff. Province provides bureaucratic support via Ministry of Education, including curricular support and infrastructure.
- Most First Nations do not have school boards. Chief and council responsible for hiring teachers and staff, developing curriculum, allocating funds for infrastructure and overseeing all maintenance and construction of educational facilities.
Roles and responsibilities (Land):
- Municipal zoning by-laws. Province administers land title system.
- First Nations administer very complex title system on reserve. Chief and council negotiate complicated right of way, easements, engage in duty-to-consult, land treaty entitlement and addition-to-reserve processes as well as negotiations related to treaty breaches related to land. Often must engage in these processes at provincial and federal levels.
Roles and responsibilities (Corporations and trust funds):
- Municipal corporations responsible to provinces.
- Many FNs have band-owned corporations that are managed by chief and council for the benefit of the band. Chief and council are also responsible for directing major trust funds.
Roles and responsibilities (Social assistance):
- Municipalities do not have direct responsibility for this, services funded, managed and delivered by provinces.
- Chief and council administer and deliver social assistance services to band members. This includes child services, income support, employment training, social housing, addictions counseling and so on. This is a major part of FN government duties.
Roles and responsibilities (Health):
- Again, municipalities do not have direct responsibility for this. Health services funded, managed and delivered by provinces with some input and participation by municipal government.
- Firs Nations administer and deliver health services on reserve including nursing stations, negotiations for emergency medical transport (in communities with no road access this means air ambulances).
These are just a few examples of the differences between the responsibilities of municipal governments versus First Nation Indian Act governments. Trying to compare them straight across the board based only on similar size, is not an exercise likely to result in much clarity.
Chief and council are not just elected officials, they must also act as negotiators with Indian Affairs, and with provincial and federal government ministries (health, education, fisheries and oceans, and so many more), as well as sitting as CEO and Board for First Nations corporations. First Nations governments are responsible for filling in all the gaps left by lack of legislation and bureaucratic support at the federal level, otherwise provided to municipalities by the provinces. This requires an intense amount of reporting, travel, and personal time as First Nations simply do not have the human resources available to them in order to delegate that work.
What does any of this have to do with all those corrupt chiefs I keep hearing about?
Well, now we understand that First Nations governments: are not traditional but rather are Indian Act creations; have powers analogous to municipalities but with less local control and less funding; and have more responsibility to deliver services to residents than municipalities, we can better discuss the accusation of inherent corruption. This piece is already looooooong enough, so that will be the subject of Part II.
54 Comments
trublwithnormal · February 15, 2016 at 3:30 pm
VERY well iterated. Thanks so much for the clarifications!
jobsdada · October 22, 2022 at 10:51 am
what do you mean iterated?
Isaiah · June 26, 2023 at 1:01 am
I believe my band is corrupt after reading this
Blog Woman!!! · February 15, 2016 at 3:37 pm
Bravo! I wanted to write, thank you for this before I’d even finished the 2nd paragraph. You’ve provided so many much-needed points of interest and education that need to addressed within the whole of informing what the Indigenous cultures and history really is.
Charles · February 15, 2016 at 3:45 pm
Good one!
Yes, you could have gone on much longer but, hopefully get the point. As well, no offense to Chief Louie’s comments over the years, but when the Canadian Tax Payers Federations and others flaunt the successes of Osooyoos; bear in mind that many First Nation communities (let alone the rest of Canada) do not share the same geography as Osooyoos. Try setting up a winery in Attawapiskat, Meadow Lake, Mistissini, etc. Not to mention that many of the communities favour a an on alcohol.
Bo-Bo Rinty
(Wikwemikong Unceded First Nation Band Member)
Bernard · February 16, 2016 at 1:14 pm
There are always those people that think Osoyoos gets a free ride because of their location and thats the only reason their successful. Hogwash, we all the same opportunities to cultivate our land into something. In Meadow Lake they now have community garden that is growing in leaps and bounds. Another community in Sask has a Saskatoon orchard.We have lots of land and opportunity, we need the people with expertise to cultivate these ideas. So stop whining about location, and give us some reason why you could be successful.
âpihtawikosisân · February 16, 2016 at 2:14 pm
It is ridiculous to pretend that the quality of land does not matter when it comes to development.
If you are unable to be respectful, you will not be posting here further.
Bernard · February 16, 2016 at 5:10 pm
I hope your part 2 is better researched, we don’t get all the way to the Supreme Court and win decisions by being compared to Municipalities.
âpihtawikosisân · February 17, 2016 at 9:11 am
I hope you take the time to actually read Part I, which your comment clearly indicates you have not.
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jobsdada · October 22, 2022 at 10:54 am
A little bit of harshness and you call that disrespectful?
What, you think this is the queens court or something?
If he is respectful in words then how will you know his real intention and tone?
Just because you do not like the tone does not mean that it is wrong, unacceptable or not beneficial. You just proved that you are a dictator!
âpihtawikosisân · October 24, 2022 at 12:58 pm
The tone has nothing to do with it, but enjoy this block, asshat.
Jan · February 15, 2016 at 3:46 pm
Thank you for such a clear explanation. Very helpful!
trapdinawrpool (@trapdinawrpool) · February 15, 2016 at 5:05 pm
I eagerly await Part 2
âpihtawikosisân · February 15, 2016 at 5:15 pm
Might take a while, I had a day off today, not another one for a bit 🙂
Liz · February 16, 2016 at 6:19 am
Thank you for clarifying, much needed. I too, look forward to the next part 2!
Watachie Aongasha · February 15, 2016 at 5:52 pm
Sorry, that’s not the total story on governance. I’ve been in a number of First Nations, where a ruling family or two, control most of the council jobs and wealth in the community and they definitely do not want a public audit as many of their own members are demanding. Clean this up and those stories we all know about would have no basis in fact.
seppry corpuz · February 18, 2016 at 12:38 am
Well said! I’ve witnessed $$ first and roles and responsibility a distant second no real knowledge of the task at hand. In some cases the monkeys are running zoo. Spin doctors spewing rhetoric and colorful propaganda waving traditional and cultural values as their platform yet not knowing the content of what they’ve said.
Blog Woman!!! · February 27, 2016 at 8:56 pm
What is your idea of “a number” of First Nations? I’m curious because the records of finance for bands is already a matter of public record and has been for some time – in fact, even band members have access to those records. This made the claims by the CTF wholly self-serving.
If you’re referring to income earned outside of the transfer payments to the bands from the INAC, then that is another matter altogether and it is those numbers that do not belong in the public realm any more than any other businesses records.
But, to go back to the notion of “a number of First Nations” that are controlled by one family, how many would that be? Where would that be? Who would that be?
There were a number of articles published that pointed to the finances info on the then AANDC website, but for the sake of ease, here’s a link to a paper that published the facts of each band which showed the average figure for all Chiefs was in the $60,000/annum range. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/07/first-nations-financial-transparency-act-median-salary-for-a-chief-is-60000.html
Richard · November 19, 2021 at 7:51 pm
FORENSIC AUDITS are required. I advocated for A Reading of The Audit last year. We had one, it was hurriedly done. This year we Election. No Reading of The Audit. The only consistency is none.
settlercanadian · February 15, 2016 at 11:18 pm
Thank you thank you– As an educator of Anti-Indigenous racism for the last 6 years, I see my Settler people trying to compare the incomparable every day… There is no equal starting place, and never will be. Our colonial history took care of that…. WE Settlers need to get over ourselves and the racist stereotypes. WE have to start listening to the realities (like this great example) and take responsibility for our unearned privileges… just saying that all that free land didn’t just show up and haven’t you heard about compound interest? I’ve got over 100 years personally… I have children, and hopefully grandchildren one day and I owe it to them to buck up! Colonialism is one legacy I do not want to pass on down the ancestry line. My inheritance and monthly contributions will take care of that in a small way, because NOTHING can replay the generations of trauma and violence.
Thanks for this fuel to take to work tomorrow!
Daniel Wilson · February 16, 2016 at 8:58 am
I’m guessing you read this a long time ago, but if you haven’t, it could help with part II on this topic – http://www.montrealpresbytery.ca/sites/default/files/Federal-Government-Funding-to-First-Nations.pdf
Settler Canadian · February 16, 2016 at 3:57 pm
Thanks Daniel! I use this article often… We need more egs to debunk these myths!
Daniel Wilson · February 17, 2016 at 9:59 am
I wrote that paper back in 2004. It could use some updating, but the underlying argument of it holds true still today.
Settler Canadian · February 17, 2016 at 3:30 pm
I would like to get a copy of that!
I use it as an educator of Settler people in Indigenous Cultural Safety training to debunk the stereotype myths…
How can I contact you?
Sandi Alward · November 19, 2019 at 7:48 pm
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Marg Gurr · February 16, 2016 at 9:19 am
âpihtawikosisân, I’ve learned more in your brief overview than I had in any other forum, thank you. I look forward to part 2.
Leigh Solland · February 16, 2016 at 12:02 pm
Well written. I can hardly wait for Part 2!
Michelle · February 16, 2016 at 7:31 pm
I find it incredibly poor logic to equate a community garden and orchard to the mini empire that Clarence Louie has built in Osoyoos. With even just a cursory understanding of economics, it’s not difficult to see there is much more opportunity here as compared to a northern, isolated reserve.
A Believer · February 17, 2016 at 10:26 am
Great article. Well written and clearly defines the differences, the changes, the culture. BC has had some great successes, not only with the Osoyoos Band but a few other bands who have put their land and talents to use for producing jobs and revenue to bring prosperity and hope to their people.
davidtrudel · February 17, 2016 at 2:05 pm
Excellent and very helpful for a settler/ally to gain a better understanding of a complex picture. Thank you.
David Payant · February 17, 2016 at 2:28 pm
This is very much an eye opener!
Jared Milne · February 17, 2016 at 8:35 pm
Excellent post.
I always find it odd when people think that Indigenous governments ought to simply be like Canadian ones and demand more accountability…when many federal and provincial governments have themselves been called out for obscuring auditors’ access to important financial officer (such as the former Harper government’s clashes with the Parliamentary Budget Officer, who complained that his office couldn’t get the information it needed from many Ministries to do its job).
Of course, expecting higher standards from Indigenous peoples rather than from other non-Aboriginal Canadians is nothing new in Canadian history-see John Tobias’s classic article “Protection, Civilization, Assimilation: An Outline History Of Canada’s Indian Policy”, when Indigenous peoples were expected to have high moral standards that even most non-Aboriginal people couldn’t be expected to attain.
(Please delete my first comment-I messed up the title of Tobias’s article in the first one. Apologies for the double post.)
Frank Dragon · February 18, 2016 at 1:27 am
Thank you for this well written article. In part two can you address modern day treaties such as the Nisga’a, Tswassen and Maanulth Treaties and how it relates to governance compared to INAC Chief and Council governments. Thanks again and looking forward with anticipation for Part 2. Blessings 🙂
nokamis · February 18, 2016 at 12:49 pm
Clearly excellent! Keep the fires burning I look forward to Part 2.
Andrew Daniels · February 19, 2016 at 3:34 pm
I thought I knew something. I was wrong. Ignorant no more. Thank you for this enlightening article. I want to see Part 2 soonest, please.
Stephen Jules · February 22, 2016 at 10:56 pm
Stephen Jules,I thank you for speaking up, and sharing what’s in your heart. I am just learning,I would like to learn more and have a voice,for are children!!
Cheryl · March 2, 2016 at 1:20 pm
So thankful that I have found this site. Love to read it over and over so many perspectives so many FACTS vs FICTION. Thank you for all your time and energy.
Dan Bellegarde · March 19, 2016 at 4:02 pm
We will have a hybrid form of governance in Treaty 4 as we bring the best of traditional forms of the Lakota, Dakota, Nakota, Cree, Saulteaux with contemporary requisites. Governance machinery evolves and processes change to meet a changing environment.
Liz · April 6, 2016 at 10:28 am
Thanks for what you do, defeating ignorance – one post at a time. This is a subject I’ve been wondering about for a while, really looking forward to the part 2.
blair · May 19, 2016 at 9:28 pm
yes a very good eye opener for people to read so i must say that this structure of governance was well thought out and designed by its architect for one reason only. I myself struggling with its implication among my first nation for us to overcome its design to fully understand it and educate my people of why its structured this way and other first nations to act and follow suit and overcoming this affliction. A genereation of peoples must let go and let a younger populous not damaged by forced assimulation to oversee a transition to unity. Divide and conquer is the main basis at hand in this well thought out form of governance. It was no mistake nor neglegence of the architect. It was a masterpiece designed to oppress without the settler being involved or hand in it. Until we as first nation underatand this we shall continue to do the job for the settler with great effeciecy.
blair · May 20, 2016 at 1:48 am
Until first nations realize corruption is a used to oppress can we move forward and let the healing procees begin. Only way to fight the government for change is to outrun him in his owns shoes. I am fighting hard in my first nation to overcome corruption. Wish me luck If i can convince my people of this they can see how it has made friends into enemies and this is the first time this has ever happen i fear if i cant stop it now it will consume us and we will become status quo…
Jay · May 24, 2016 at 10:29 pm
Hi, thanks for this article. I was wondering if you have written part 2. Thanks!
âpihtawikosisân · May 25, 2016 at 7:09 am
Ha, not yet! One day, one day!
austin · January 11, 2017 at 2:05 pm
From a student…
Just a comment/ question: Why is it that you claim FN peoples are significantly underfunded by the government, when the purpose of Reserves is to preserve an aboriginal way of life? The First Nations way of life never involve funding before European settlement, so why now is it that money is needed to sustain a community? Are tradition methods of hunting, fishing, and self sufficiency no longer viable? Is there less funding for FN peoples because they are able to self sustain as they had done in the past with lesser support from the government than a non-aboriginal who is not entitled to any land?
not meant to offend anyone.
Any help would be great!
âpihtawikosisân · January 11, 2017 at 2:14 pm
Traditional self-sufficiency was destroyed, deliberately. The reserve system ensured that, by centralizing communities on specific pieces of land, and disallowing the regular cycles of travel linked to access to resources that occurred before colonization. As encroachment continues, habits are destroyed, animals and plants further displaced and in some cases rendered extinct, the ability of Indigenous peoples to subsist off the land continues to be threatened.
The reserves were not set up to preserve anything. They were set up to remove Indigenous peoples from the land so that land and other resources could be opened up and accessed by colonists. That continues to be the case. Despite the fact that less than half of a percent of lands in Canada are “reserve” lands, First Nations continue to experience land loss through expropriation and theft. What little has been “left” for First Nations to cling to, continues to be eroded by colonialism. Under no rubric can it be claimed that this minuscule land base was ever intended to preserve an “Aboriginal way of life”. Clearly, that way of life was supposed to die.
I do not “claim” as in “assert without evidence” that funding to First Nations communities is well below the averages provided to non-Indigenous peoples. This is born out in numerous studies, the evidence is plentiful. There is less funding provided to Indigenous peoples than non-Indigenous peoples because of structural racism…there is literally no other explanation. There have even been court cases that have found the government discriminates against First Nations children when it comes to funding and services! Nonetheless, the current government has still not complied with court orders to stop this discrimination.
Based on your questions, it seems like you need to begin with a basic history of colonization in Canada in order to start to see the way in which lands and resources have been taken to the sole benefit of non-Indigenous peoples, at the direct expense of Indigenous sovereignty, self-sufficiency, and life.
austin · January 11, 2017 at 7:09 pm
awesome! thanks for the reply.
Dixie Normis · February 5, 2023 at 5:24 am
I see the blog owner answered already but even as a white man how the hell is this seriously still thought??? Of course theyre no longer viable, have you seen any big herds of bison lately? You can hardly eat the fish coming out of some of these holes around Edmonton…… and good luck finding a plae to hunt and NOT get arrested since we got a govetnment that regulates absolutely everything and would crucify you on fire for hunting on govt land as a Native person EVEN IF it were tachnically legal… And of course they didnt get “funding” back then, THEY WERE FREE,
And the language in the Indian Act is subterfuge and disingenous and thats being CHARITABLE…., Look at the stories of the Stoney having bit by bit of the Lac Ste Anne Alexis reserve stolen, first they owned the whole island then magically only half and then nowawdays the govt says none, NO deals even, and the one at Wab, they were intentionally starved and had to sell their fishing station to the mainly Edmontonian mainly white settlers …… And as for the Res “preserving an aboriginal way of life”….. thats like putting you a European descended from Agrarian societies into a townhouse with a tiny backyard and then saying, what, you mean you cant farm? We gave you land….)
Why did the natives often “not take farming seruously” as the Agent on the Wab reserve said about Paul Firebag…. because when they had access to the land, they could easily get what they needed so why would they grow it themselves? Europe was far more densely populated, far smaller, and had a history of property rights based ownership whereas those 3 things werent the case here. If you had the best strawberries ever in your backyard and the neighbour decided to flatten them and park his RV on the spot would you go “gee that sucks guess I better be a good neighbour and …, GO buy them from the store with my money, After all, I never asked the neighbour to help me grow them, so why would I ask the neighbour to help me buy them (terrible analogy but its 3am)
They don’t WANT to get handouts, NO ONE DOES. But when everything your ancestors knew, own and hold dear was violently taken from them, and their land carved up by Dominion Land Surveys and fences stopping the herds and the hunt and a disgusting, totalitarian govt predatorily chasing any freedom seeking person whether Metis, Indigenous or European…… if the bastards will give me a handout I’m taking it while I plan my reconquest, and if that bothers you, too bad. What about corporate welfare where BILLIONS are given to big companies. WHat about how we sent BILLIONS to Ukraine to arm an insane fascistic regime that wants to erase 100s of years of Russian history from the land (if you are going to think thats wrong – My wife is Ukrainian and she educated me that Russian culture started in Kiev and Russia has always controlled the land while the area was referred to as the Ukraine kind of like how the foothills in AB is called the foothills but that foesnt make it a separate province) Why are we sending billions and trying to start WW!!! and thats OK but compensating the people whose land our goivernment violently stole isnt????? WHAT?! I grew up on Wabamun Lake as a descendent of Polish and Irish, we were poor at first in this country but we became middle class soon enoug, why, beause we had a government who wanted to use us as flagpoles and they stole the land from its rightful owners and gave it to us to extend their claim on the area. That fills me with sorrow and guilt and I didn’t have to be a god damn commie to feel it. Just do some research man……. Even if you don;t know any native people. I don’t think this way cause I want a better life for my native friends – I think this way cause THATS JUST WRONG WHAT WAS DONE. YOU DON’T TREAT PEOPLE LIKE THAT I don;t care what colour your skin is or what Nation youre from, you just dont. And if you do, you better compensate them. The money that went towards provoking WW3 and to the oil companies SHOULD HAVE ALL gone to their people as compensation so that THEY TOO can move upwards – like my ancestors did with their stolen land in Saskatchewan outside of PA And at Wabamun. Nothing about that is “woke” in the oft heard negative sense. (You’re woke if you disagree. lol,,,,,)
Why do conservatives and leftists have such a hard time with those ideas, maybe because both are usually less knowlkedgeable of history?
Sandra Vander Schaaf · March 2, 2020 at 1:43 pm
I’m late to the party… Just really benefited from part one of this piece. Can’t find part two. Can you point me in the right direction?
âpihtawikosisân · March 2, 2020 at 4:36 pm
Ha, I never finished it!
Sandra Vander Schaaf · March 2, 2020 at 4:52 pm
I’m a writer, too… I totally get it. : )
Dennis Edogun · August 6, 2020 at 8:31 pm
It’s a lot of materials to go through though but surely makes an interesting read
Dennis Edogun · August 12, 2020 at 3:20 pm
It also clears the air about some of the misconceptions about First Nations and their chiefs and councils. Very informative piece of write-up.
Dixie Normis · February 5, 2023 at 5:01 am
I wrote a much longer response that got lost. I wish I could redo it but I cant at the moment. This is the thing that made me comment however – I am white and in favour of minimal govt and maximal freedom – so not a leftist or a conservative – and I think that The Western Separatists need to educate themselves on these matters plus the events of 1869 and 1885 and then declare their movement in furtherance of an Indigenous and Metis controlled INDEPENDENT WEST and declaren a PROVISIONAL GOVT of ALBERTA…. The way the separatists think right now is fucked – however – I have talked to some of them, around Wabamun (the interim head of AB freedom alliance Sharon mac Lise and some others )- and when I explain how insane and unjust the govts treatment of your people was and show that we have a lot of common ground- for example- when they said it was best if they kidnapped your children and now when theyre saying it is best if you give your kid an untested vaccine – (the kidnapping is obviously so much worse its not even in the same league but …. “CAN WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT GOVT NEVER KNOWS BEST! “I get Yes …agreeing that the Residential schools were an extreme violation of your peoples natural rights – and this, from Conservatives! I explained how the “band councils” are more Ottawa BS and unrelated to indigenous decision making, but nowhere near as concisely and elegantly as you did – and how the GOVT created basically miniature socialist puppet countries on each reserve, and they seem to show some interest. And, hilariously (they never thoght of this?!) When I say, to the ones who seem stand offish to the idea of declaring an independent West of Metis origin – Look, they’re a lot like us in some ways , they love hunting, fishing and trapping, they love being outdoors, are very independent and don’t seem to like authiority and hate the fucking government – basically I know a lot of folks from Onion Lake they know how to party and love to go out quadding and shooting off guns in the woods… Sound like anyone you know? I get smiles and aw shit that does sound just like us, right on.
I know they are often quite ignorant, but I showed them a few things in about 5 to 10 min of explainaing, half an hour or so of total conversation….. they seemed to see what I meant, and its this – if they ever want to be taken seriously they must GIVE IT BACK….. how do you give back land that a lot of people live on and own? No deportations, just put the Government back in the right hands. That’s in Metis and Indigenous hands….. Send the RCMP back to Canada. THe AB Sovereignty Act is a JOKE because it makes no mention of any of this and doesn’t consult your people. But on the rez (onion lake) they sued claiming it might disrupt their treaty rights – WHAT treaty rights, to be brutally clear – the GOVT lied and starved your ancestors to death to get them to promise to cease defense of their land , AND THEN they went and broke all those promises anyways. And it might impede reconciliation? RECONCILIATION IS BULLSHIT. If an alien culture came to me and snatched my kids and terrorised me for 150yrs. I would tell them to GET FUCKED if they approached me with promises of “reconciliation”> I have Said these things in both the company of the white separatists on Wabamun and In Edmonton, they agree for the most part, and with my Nihithiway / Nehiyaw (I feel like saying Cree from the french cristineau is iind of, not rude but just ignorant ??) friends from OLCN (of the Chief family who are descended from Chief Seekaskootch) and Metis from Fishing Lake (don’t know them that well but Aulotte is one of the last names)and some descendents of the Lac Ste anne who live in Edmonton – and they agreed also. “Fuck the Pope I’m white but if I were you I’d laugh in his face and then tell him and the rest of the country how their policies fucked things up in your family and community. They agreed. Not even the Fishing Lake Metis I know wanted anything to do with the Pope, and they are Catholic nominally at least , they said oh here comes the old bastard or something like that when he came pontificating around like a jackass last summer. I’m also white like most of the separatists, and also very freedom-first / limited govt ) not a conservative or a leftist, If I can see that they should be able to also. Sorry if this was rambling – I really am exhausted but I thoight I shouldf point out how fucked it is that the Separatists and the Indigenous people in Alberta are at odds right now. That should not be the case. It is the white separatists that are to blame for that, if their movement ever has any hope of being considered legit by anyone they better do what I said there as a minimum.
Any ideas? If not I understand that was a mess…. If so it would be amazing and very cool to read what you hav to say…… Thanks!
( Alberta Provisonal Government 2023 – declared and changed shortly after to the Metis Nation of Western Free People or some other shit…? I can dream.. seize the military bases , ally with the free US states, work thru UN to get legitimacy as a state…. and start bulldozering the system of technocratic control that came from the post industrial revolution globohomo society and, here, emanated from \Canada’ the Brtish stronghold around the St. Lawrence….)
The Indigenous control of the land for 10,000 years at a minimum IS our history here whether you are Metis, Nehiyaw or a moonyashe like me…… the white technological society is collapsing and like Uncle Ted Kaczynski taught us we need to strike at it when it is in its time of weakness or we may never be able to get it off our back. tt will KILL US ALL white or native just as DEAD…. or it will change us so much we won’t even be human anymore. On the other hand, I have a real hard time seeing a nation run by native and metis ending up looking anything like the nightmare we cal Canada. F it, I’d totally throw myself in with your people and fight the Canadians off this land…..Neither freedom loving Irish westerners like myself nor Indigenous seem like they have much to lose by booting the Canadian (Laurentian) Tentacles of control back to the St. Lawrence basin. And for the sentimental whites, Tijuana Mexico is closer to Edmonton than Ottawa is, For F Sakes! Even if I had 0 native friends at all it would be hard to see the benefts of Canada and hard to NOT see the similarities between the natives vs non-leftist whites.
It just seems like once this idea gains a foothold it could take off and next thing you know we got ourselves a Metis Natioin with control of its territory reclaimed and small governm,ent and individual and enthnic rights guaranteed by its constitution or whatvever it would be called..
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